tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6074121.post8101281737418272488..comments2023-12-26T22:08:54.798-05:00Comments on Lotus - Surviving a Dark Time: It ain't over 'til it's over, Part ThreeLotushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16774266443353774752noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6074121.post-60261025705067743852011-03-18T12:27:08.038-05:002011-03-18T12:27:08.038-05:00Lili -
Good point. "The only thing we have t...Lili -<br /><br />Good point. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." I once as a political candidate urged people to "vote your hopes, not your fears."<br /><br />Neither of those, of course, is quite as fundamental as your comment, but they go in the same direction.Lotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774266443353774752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6074121.post-54719281575385802652011-03-18T12:25:20.868-05:002011-03-18T12:25:20.868-05:00Daisy -
Sorry to be so long in responding. I hadn...Daisy -<br /><br />Sorry to be so long in responding. I hadn't read the Deming post, but I have read Barbara Deming. (Even met her once for about five seconds.)<br /><br />I think you're right that we can easily be trapped by our own assumptions (a very Buddhist lway of thinking) and we have to find ways to express alternatives and to do it in a way that makes them real, that is, not simply a fantasy. The "dream dreams of things that never were and ask 'why not'" idea.<br /><br />It's something I've tried to do in the past but not nearly as much of late. Oddly, in commenting on a post somewhere else I said I thought I'd just made a New Year's resolution to do more of it. Haven't lived up to it so far, but the year is young.Lotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774266443353774752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6074121.post-37343534140140318092011-03-16T13:12:57.718-05:002011-03-16T13:12:57.718-05:00This what we don't know: Fear is unnecessary f...This what we don't know: Fear is unnecessary for creating anything.<br /><br />Fear of loss created the need for power.Lilinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6074121.post-50474046737891313462011-03-15T13:41:00.250-05:002011-03-15T13:41:00.250-05:00Did you read this? (posted a while ago) Your com...Did you read <a href="http://daisysdeadair.blogspot.com/2010/09/barbara-deming-on-necessity-to-liberate.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>? (posted a while ago) Your comment about 'power and control' made me think of Deming's comment: <b>A terrible story, and one worth being very attentive to. Here was a young man who was exceptional. He did not take part [in war crimes]. He saw the action for what it was: all screwed up. And yet-- <i>he did not know how to cope afterwards with this vision. It just made him feel left out.</i> Because he suffered from the bondage I speak of--the awe of what <i>is,</i> of what is <i>done.</i> He suffered from the anxious sense that if one isn't part of it, <i>whatever</i> it is, one is then nowhere. And so in effect he dismisses the insight he had.</b><br /><br />This is cognitive, and this is the thing. <br /><br />People cannot conceive of any different system or reality. The problem, IMHO, is how to get them to envision possibilities. The elite is WHAT IS, and they circumscribe WHAT IS DONE (as Deming puts it) and poor/working class people mindlessly APE them, rather than see them as, well, as THEM, working in THEIR (not our) interests. You know?<br /><br />Just IMHO. But its a Phildickian problem, I think. <i>People simply <b>can't see</b> who is stealing from them</i>. <br /><br />In the scifi novel CAVES OF STEEL, there is a question put to someone about how to get from point A to point B, and the official answer is this convoluted thing, since they've never been outside, they wind their way through the steel interiors of where they live to draw a map answering the question ... but the obvious answer is that someone got in thru the <i>outside.</i> But nobody goes outside, nobody IS outside, so <i>none of them thought of that.</i> They just didn't THINK OF THAT. <br />For some reason, I think of that plot twist more and more often these days. It was a common theme in Asimov: <a href="http://daisysdeadair.blogspot.com/2008/01/it-should-be-obvious-but-its-not.html" rel="nofollow">We can't know what we can't know. <br /></a> <br /><br />Well, I am trying to figure out what we don't know. <br /><br />If that makes any sense. :PDaisy Deadheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17993200276152025235noreply@blogger.com